Baba Ramdev spoke about his stance against the UPA, its policies, the income tax notices received by his trust, the change in treatment meted out to him by the government since he started agitation to bring back black money and his new andolan ....
Our guest for today on Teekhi Baat is a man who went on to become Political Guru from Yoga Guru, Baba Ramdev, welcome to our studio.
BR: Pranaam, Prabhuji, you keep on giving me new nomenclatures.
PC: What all I didn’t name you as sex guru, tax guru, political guru, yoga guru, now political guru
BR: Yoga is connected to every aspect of life. Where all Yoga is connected, that aspect of life will keep on improving. That work will be for the development of the country, though tax. And from where all yoga will go, life will become cleaner.
PC: Baba you have crores of followers in the country, they are confused regarding what you are. There is a saying, When in Rome, do as Romans do.
BR: I think Yoga is connected to every aspect of life. And when we want an ideal life, an ideal family, ideal society, ideal nation, then why not ideal politics? When we see every aspect of life in connection with Yoga, then there will be ‘satavikta, samarasta’ and purity, and till the ‘samarastak’ society is not formed, where all people get economic and social justice, this is what our elders have taught us, do such a work due to which our family and nation does not suffer any taint. As you sow, so shall you reap.
PC: I did you 12 interviews, but did not hear the kind of language from you that I heard recently. Like you said that reservation should be on the basis of religion and caste, was this to enhance your popularity
BR: On what sentence are you asking me Prabhuji. More than 10 crore people listen to me on television every day, I have done gathering of more than 11 crore people, I am telling you that I don’t differentiate between poor and poor, dalit and dalit, everywhere there are poor, in upper castes, dalits and Muslims. We will have to think of upliftment of everybody, only then will the society will have balance. I don’t know what 341, 222, 323 is, I have nothing to do with sections or reservation. I have reservation on the fact that people are divided on the basis of caste and religion here, now even poor are being divided, there are poor in upper castes, dalit and Muslims.
PC: There should be reservation for poor, whether Hindu or Muslim
BR: That is what I had said. You would have heard, I said that I don’t differentiate between dalit and dalit, that was it, and I don’t know how it was picked up in what manner.
PC: It was a function of a specific community hence it was picked up, don’t you think what you meant was there should be reservation on religious lines.
BR: Reservation on the lines of reservation is never for the good, I have said this all along. The economic condition of people, on that basis, on the basis of economic condition, if people get reservation, because there are many such people, who need to be uplifted, if we don’t think about them, then it will not be good for your future, future generations and our children because see the issues in the country today Naxalism, Maoism.
PC: You meant that there should be reservation for poor, be it any caste or religion
PC: But then it came on tv, that Baba wears Bhagwa, now he has become secular, now he should wear green clothes, white clothes,
BR: People will skewed brains, Prabhuji, you know more than me, are there in every caste, community, religion and country, hence we should not bother about them. We should speak of akhand Bharat. Prabhuji, there was one Akhand Bharat in the Vedic times, from Himalaya, Kailash Mansarovar to Sri Lanka, from Afghanistan to Burma. Then there was India of the middle ages, and then Sardar Vallabhai Patel dreamt of a Akhand Bharat in which 565 principalities were integrated. Today when we talk of Akhand Bharat, Hindu, Muslim, Sikh, Christian, Dalit, Valmiki, all have to be taken together. Other we will become contractor of one community, one caste, one religion. We will have to be Bharatiya, in what is poor in bharat, people from any caste upper or dalit may be poor, be it Muslim or Hindu. The upliftment of the poor will have to be thought about otherwise it will be a problem for the future generations. Naxalism, Maoism,
PC: Babaji, you issue was black money, you stressed on that, now forgetting that you are not stressing too much on that.
BR: Please see, I do sabha for 365 days, If one day I went to Muslims, what crime did I do, Muslims are our own
PC: They are Bharatiya
BR: There are our humwatan, and I say, go back 100, 200, 300 years our religion may be different by not our ancestors, blood and family is not different. We were one country, one ancestor,
PC: Am speaking of black money
BR: Black money will come, and if we don’t have ‘samarasta, sadhbhavna’, then will money be able to save humanity.
PC: Pranab Mukherjee recently issue white paper, you would have seen it.
BR: Earlier what they have done is tried to fool the country, now even in the whitepaper they are fooling and betraying the country in the amount of black money, regarding how much black money is in what country.
PC: In report it is written that Bharatiya don’t has the most amount of black money abroad, but you say that Bharatiya have the most largest amount of money abroad.
BR: Prabhuji, let me tell you straight away, where the money has been invested, and from where it is coming let me tell you, it is seen, but the government has gone blind, deaf, mute, it is on ventilator, its day of expiry have come. Now think, there is one lakh tonne of gold in this country, which is worth 300 lakh crores, now reserve bank itself agrees that 20,000 25,000 tonne is there. But almost all of the economists say, from where this money has been invested in gold, even Pranab Mukherjee said that it is in Jewellery and Gold. It should be taxed. One lakh tonne gold worth 300 lakh crore, from where has this money come. Almost 20 lakh crore from foreign has come to our country under the guise of FII, from Mauritious route, 10 lakh crore came, nobody knows the owner. One need not be surprised if it is more than 300, 400, 500 lakh crore. Now, I don’t talk without any facts and figures and proof, take the CAG report, one could have got 10.66 lakh crore royalty, from coal, but it was not auctioned,
PC: Now they have lessened it to 1 lakh crore something
BR: Now 200 lakh crore worth of coal 50 billion tonnes, even if you take the minimum rate of coal, it is a 200 lakh crore scam. The most amount of loot is happening in natural resources. Now government says that there is no black money there. Hence, the most amount of black money has been accumulated via natural resources after that there is in drugs, education, black marketing, even in IPL.
PC: In IPL everything is white
BR: It is there in IPL
PC: Everything is white
BR: Arre sahab
PC: I am coming to that, but first tell me you have had such a big andolan on black money, do you tell you followers that don’t earn black money, don’t shy away from paying tax, do you give such speeches
BR: I give every day, I tell that it is ‘haraam ki kamai’
PC: That is different, I am talking about tax evasion
BR: Haraam and black is same. I say that even dowry is haraam ki kamai, it is the earning of your father and father in law, which you have not earned, you have no right on it.
PC: We should pay our taxes, not pay bribe, take it
BR: Don’t take or give bribe. Work with purity, we have lived like that and all our bhakts, supporters, everyday, one to two lakh people meet me,
PC: Then you have to tell them
BR: We tell them, but Prabhuji you don’t listen
PC: I saw you live the other day, saying that there is so much black money in the country, so much it out
BR: You should listen, you listen for just one day
PC: You should given speeches like god, Tathastu, don’t keep black money, and whatever is there, submit income tax,
BR: We people want to be human and let the gods rule be there on earth.
PC: I have seen two changes recently, you spoke on different issues and you started a business in the name of Patanjali. You are going on to become businessman, is this true or false,
BR: Prabhuji, if Mahatma Gandhi works for swadeshi, then he is our role model, Bal Gangadhar Tilak, he also worked for swadeshi. Only Khadi is not represent swadeshi, not even one rupee should go out of country, Yog, Ayurveda, swadeshi are our Rishikarma. Our age old Rishis and even present day mahapurush be it Bal Gangadhar Tilak, Gokhale, Mahatma Gandhi,
PC: They did not start in their own name
BR: Where did we start from my name, it there any business on Baba’s name. There is no business in our trust, it is for seva, and we guide companies, and cheap and best, from 300 to 1647 per cent cheap medicines. Which means what is available in the market for Rs. 30 we sell for 20. Hence, products for common man at cheap rates, the tradition of Yoga and ayurveda which had been forgotten, starting it again, there is no ‘punya karam’ than this. Coca Cola, Pepsi, Thumbs Up, Colgate, Pepsodent, we have taken a decision of driving them all out. Hence, not even one rupee of the country should go outside.
PC: You have a fight against foreign companies
BR: This is going on from long time. We said that the country is being looted from four sides, one the one side is corrupt politicians, corrupt officer and MNCs. If this loot is stop only then this country can become an economic super power.
PC: Hence you started to provide ayurvedic medicines to people at low cost.
BR: That is happening, indigenous treatments will run and are successful. This 200 year old allopathy, I don’t criticize it, in emergency take it sometimes. But one ‘arab’ year old, we have the oldest civilisation, the world’s first treatment way is ours, and it is scientific and effective.
PC: Now you business has not even fully come up, but you have got Rs. 58 crore notice from the government. Earlier you got FERA notice, all this till where will you fight the government
BR: On June 3, we will raise a big question in front of the government, I already said that the government is already dead by its own acts, in the whole country it is being criticised, the sins that it has committed. Now they say that will send notice to Baba, earlier even in Ramlila maidan, the government sent an e mail was sent that terrorists may kill Baba and there are anti national elements all around Ramlila maidan. Muslim people may kill Baba. First the government made an attempt to kill me was made by farce, in which the government was not successful. Now was a revolutionary not jailed, or hanged or troubled. I committed only one mistake, for 20 years Baba was god, and 25 chief ministers, three prime ministers, three presidents, and when I came to airport, four ministers, not even came to receive Obama. Baba was god before June 4, now they see devil in Baba, not they can see terrorist in Baba, they say I am anti national element,
PC: Yes, you are ready to go to jail
BR: I am ready to go to jail and face the bullets, but on chest not by betrayal.
PC: People kill by betrayal, like Shivaji was
BR: That is why they are moving ahead, on June 4, they that preparation to kill me, which they couldn’t do, now they have told, that they could not do what they wanted to on June four, now they are showing black flags,
PC: See, like what government did to Lokpal bill, Anna Hazare met you, but the Lokpal bill has gone, in the ditch.
BR: Please see, Prabhuji, the war will start from June 3,
PC: What are you going to do, with Anna or alone
BR: Anna sahab will come, the whole country will be involved
PC: From Delhi
BR: In Delhi, Anna sahab will come, Anna and Baba are not the issue, the issue pertains to the country. It is the biggest issue in the country. To save the country, finish the menace of black money, finishing corruption, and to finish this corrupt administration and establish a just administration. Now only those people who do this will rule the country. And I say on seedhi and teekhi baat, if one soldier does not fight on the border, or lays down his arms, or runs away, will you suspend him or not, if a teacher does not teach, a doctor does not treat, he is suspended, now this government has been formed to sell the country or to safeguard it, to develop the country or ruin it completely, in the whole world you see what is happening to our country, on the one had the value of rupee has gone down so much, to Rs. 55 to a dollar which has not happened in history, and inflation is increasing every day, you see the deficit is increasing every day, is this a government, ‘ is sarkaar ko to chullu bhar paani mein doob ke mar jaana chahiye’. If this government does not do what we say it will fall, this is the teekhi baat,
PC: Means you will do a revolution against it
BR: Please see, the country is not of parties, is it ours also. See, this country is not of one political party, one family, this is of 121 crore Indians, and if they don’t act as per their responsibility, we will save the country not let it be sold.
PC: You are depending on opposition parties, but BJP on the issue of Lokpal colluded with the government. You believe them, you keep on meeting its leaders.
BR: I keep on meeting everybody. I had met Rahulji too,
PC: Do you fully trust BJP
BR: I trust 121 crore people of the country, in a democracy the people are the biggest.
PC: Tell me one thing, teekhi baat, when Baba and people who serve the country grow intolerant, start beating up if somebody starts asking questions, then there is a doubt why it is happening
BR: We did not get anybody beat up
PC: You bhakts did it, in a spurt of anger, should not have done
BR: Who was beaten
BR: That is wrong, Rahul Gandhi was also shown black flags, stones were thrown, shoes were thrown
PC: That is wrong thing
BR: Because of their deeds. People threw, we did not get them thrown. And when you are talking beating up, that is a wrong thing, his grand uncle, father, his family, they are our teachers. Let it be enquired in Madhya Pradesh.
PC: It should not happen,
BR: It is a wrong thing, wrong information.
PC: Tell me one thing, the government has completed three years, what do you feel , how many numbers will you give them
BR: I will give 0 numbers to government.
BR: They sold the country, in whole. Such a big enemy, such corruption, when one listened to 1.76 lakh crore 2g scam, 70,000 crore common wealth game, people said that there is loot, then 10.66 lakh crore coal scam, 200 lakh crore scam, hey bhagwaan, such big looters they have no shame. I don’t say that throw stones at them, but tomorrow if people start throwing stones at them, if people start abusing them, if people start spitting at them, then Baba is not responsible. Their deeds are like that
PC: When will you join Anna’s andolan in Maharashtra
BR: Please see, we will go with them after June 3,
PC: You will go in Maharashtra with him
BR: Surely, why not
PC: Anna said that they will work against the government 2014, will you also
BR: We have started already. We have started taking gathering of 2 lakh people, be with me for one day and see, why Baba is awake from three in the morning to 10 in the night.
PC: What is your target, in one sentence, Teekhi Baat
BR: Please see, Prabhuji, these people are not thinking about the betterment of the country,
PC: These people means UPA
BR: Yes, yes. I was born in a farmers family, I have seen what poverty is, have lived it. These are wazir people we are fakirs, but in the fight between sin and truth
PC :What is your aim of 2014
BR: Now we have only one aim, the looters, corrupt, traitors, the ones who are playing with the respect of India, the people will never tolerate them, and in 2013, ‘ inki 13 vi ho jayegi’ they will not reach in 2014.
PC: Lets see if what you say comes true, our best wishes with you, thank you for coming to our studio.